Checkmat and Leaandro Vieira facing allegations of SA cover up.
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"Loyalty" is not a virtue - it is what is invoked to tempt others, to lie. Every time there is institutional predations, or systematic ones, loyalty, and threats are used to attempt to silence, those who dissent from speaking their conscience. Ask any of my students, I tell them, "don't be loyal to me, not in the slightest, I am the teacher, I do not need your loyalties. Be loyal to being the best you, you can be, and do that which is right." I also tell them, "do not believe anything I say, unless you can prove it for yourself - except to observe the safety protocols in our room, or encounter, or experiment." |
"What do you mean, "these days"...?" Exactly. This was based on events starting a decade ago. Makes me wonder if this isn't necessarily a BJJ issue, but a differing world culture issue that just happens to manifest itself in BJJ. There are still places in the world where women are seen as property and that's their version of normal. |
"Makes me wonder if this isn't necessarily a BJJ issue, but a differing world culture issue that just happens to manifest itself in BJJ. There are still places in the world where women are seen as property and that's their version of normal." Bruh. Didn't they just outlaw spousal rape in Mississippi like last year? lmao. Non-consensual sex is consistently understood more as an issue of dominance, power, authority and control rather than sexual desire or a cultural phenomenon, as we see this kind of thing happening across the entire human population. Just look at what's happening right now with the Epstein files. Here's a link to an article that specifically addresses these dynamics in relation to children, which is what I THINK we are talking about in the Atos case: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs[...]hatgpt.com |
"Here's a link to an article that specifically addresses these dynamics in relation to children, which is what I THINK we are talking about in the Atos case: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs[...]hatgpt.com" Oh oops. Wrong thread about non-consensual sex perpetrated by people in powerful positions. Per the CDC website: "sexual violence is a serious public health problem that stems from power imbalances.": https://www.cdc.gov/sexua[...]tfact.html |
"Bruh. Didn't they just outlaw spousal rape in Mississippi like last year? lmao. Non-consensual sex is consistently understood more as an issue of dominance, power, authority and control rather than sexual desire or a cultural phenomenon, as we see this kind of thing happening across the entire human population. Just look at what's happening right now with the Epstein files. Here's a link to an article that specifically addresses these dynamics in relation to children, which is what I THINK we are talking about in the Atos case: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs[...]hatgpt.com" That's pretty much my whole point. It has little to do with what is legal and much to do with what is considered normal and acceptable. |
Most likely these dynamics are a function of humans, multiplied against risk loving demographics. Ratio’ed by number of human interactions, Meaning that at any sufficient scale or volume, BJJ affiliations (or churches or whatever branded institution with cult-y trappings like “rank” large enough), Will have male and female predators, and predations occurring. Absence of reported issues, is in that way suspicious in any affiliation beyond a certain size. In that case, look for data gaps, cover ups, societal bias cover, and camouflage. “Toxic cultures” may be a base case, not an outlier. And the expected reversion case outside of daylight, and very strict, consistent, controls. It may be, that Jiu-Jitsu is more dangerous, Than beneficial for survivors of abuse, Or those vulnerable to it, Contrary to what our wishes were or are. Every one will claim and prefer to believe, their favorites, their conveniences, and their conflicts of interest, are the exception. But, probably not. Some people and groups will also attempt to monetize programs to address these problems, as a salable product, but those groups will be just as vulnerable as a program, as any other program, ironically. Caveat emptor, defend yourself at all times, and put rigorous controls in place. |
To be explicit: After thinking about this, objectively, Jiu-Jitsu is NOT an activity that I would recommend to survivors of sexual abuse. As this is a knucklehead sport, full of knuckleheads. I might recommend activities without cult trappings (such as the social belt “ranks") and, with less violence and less rape. Where I live, people may have and carry force multipliers, and basic fitness, goes a long way, for self-defense. I am not saying, that basic hand to hand training for such folks is not potentially useful, But, no cult trappings, no rank, none of that bullcrap, and only what they need, With a lot of daylight, strict and consistent controls, and transparencies, in place. |
"Bruh. Didn't they just outlaw spousal rape in Mississippi like last year? lmao. Non-consensual sex is consistently understood more as an issue of dominance, power, authority and control rather than sexual desire or a cultural phenomenon, as we see this kind of thing happening across the entire human population. Just look at what's happening right now with the Epstein files. Here's a link to an article that specifically addresses these dynamics in relation to children, which is what I THINK we are talking about in the Atos case: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs[...]hatgpt.com" Regarding the statement about spousal rape and Mississippi... Marital rape was made illegal in all parts of the United States by 1993. However, some States treat martial rape differently than other forms of rape regarding evidentiary requirements, penalties, etc. And, there are States which have, or did have, an exception to the statutory rape ages, if the two people were married, For instance, in those States, it may be Statutory rape to have sex with a 17 year old in a given State - unless the two people are married, and in some cases with the parent's permission to get married, as a hypothetical exception to Statutory rape provisions, related to spouses, in those States that have or had those variances. None of this is legal advice, if you want legal advice, consult with a lawyer, not a bad poet. |
"You can't wrap your head around it because you're not like that. And it doesn't happen to you. Unfortunately it's a reality for some of us to have to deal with such men" I'm sorry you or any woman has to deal with this. This is supposed to be a place / activity to go and train, let go of things and not think about real "life" and help become better people. Makes me sad that men still haven't gotten their shit together in this day and age. |
